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Post by muslimanswers on Nov 28, 2015 9:33:14 GMT
Salam Alaykum,
This was an old thread I started, but yes the issue is there of living in a world where the concept of knowledge and reality itself is deprecated (way before we get into the discussion: 'Knowing the Existence of God'). Concerning scientists like Krauss and PZ Myers, should there not be a standing committee of Muslim scientist-apologists who understands exactly where the science under discussion stands [because at the end of the science can also very well be used for polemical reasons just like religious texts can be, someone who is unfamiliar should hand the matter over to someone who knows the issue well].
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Post by muslimanswers on Nov 9, 2015 16:16:15 GMT
^ Salam Alaykum, I wanted to know, what would we say specifically about the argument that this 'لا' is for Nafii al-Jins and thus is totally comprehensive (At-Tabari seems to imply in the above that in any case, the narrations are Mutawaatir that this coercion is applied to Mushrik Arabs, apostates, etc., but I am not sure if this would be the comprehensive answer). (P.S.: I would like to know if perhaps you have any comments on the question I posted about evolution and the levels of certainty in Islam: ahlussunnah.boards.net/post/633 ).
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Post by muslimanswers on Nov 8, 2015 18:50:03 GMT
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One tangential question:
We have heard so many proper Islamic scholars say that the phrase in the Quran: "لا إكراه في الدين" allows for no compulsion at all in religion (means, the listener might understand that this is the operating Muhkam Verse, all other Ahadeeth or Verses fall under the judgment of this Verse, or are abrogated, etc.). It is said that the لا is for negating absolutely all types of compulsion.
Allah knows best, but I personally see it as a weak explanation, since it would not even allow for any Shariah rules to be applied (i.e. if interpreted widely, it would set up the basis for a totally secular state that prohibits any application of religious rules whatsoever, since rules are always a form of compulsion). But is there some better explanation about this matter?
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Post by muslimanswers on Oct 30, 2015 2:14:19 GMT
Salam Alaykum,
An important question is asked: What is the level of scientific certainty at which the Muslim scholars would be willing to say that the story of Creation is a metaphor and not Haqiqi? The analogy is drawn with the flatness of the Earth or the motionlessness of the Earth, positions that were once held by Muslim scholars, but which now due to the overwhelming physical evidence to the contrary has been abandoned and the relevant texts have been reinterpreted or interpreted to be about some other feature of the Earth or the Sun, etc. That is, there is always a need to correlate Islamic texts with indubitable reality, whether linguistic realities, physical realities, etc.
I understand from the article that scientific consensus has not been reached, but many might ask that would interpretations change from Haqiqi to Majazi in the future if scientific consensus is reached?
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Post by muslimanswers on Oct 7, 2015 12:32:49 GMT
Salam alaykum,
Are there any persons who actively monitor the important sites of Shukurov and his students (the more well know sites like AsharisAssemble or SulaimanAhmad), from what I see they are always saying something against the 'fake Hanafis' (like the claim that Imam Maturidi (RA) believed that anyone who tried to find the truth would be saved, regardless of whether he hit or missed the mark. I know it may not be totally relevant to the Hadith issue directly, but in wider sense it is the same matter of quoting/misquoting earlier Hanafis, and of being true or fake Hanafis.)
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Post by muslimanswers on Sept 24, 2015 3:36:38 GMT
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Mufti Zameel, one question that may be asked is: Should we consider natural selection as an (Islamic) philosophical issue first and foremost, before we try to see whether the current prevailing explanations explain the matter in the (naturally-speaking) best possible way?
What comes to mind is that even if the current theory is shown to be flawed, eventually biologists [who firmly believe in no influence of God in the affairs of the world, at least as far as equations and models in physics, chemistry, biology, etc. are concerned] will derive a theory or law that better explains the strictly natural processes that they witness. That is, there will always be some 'theory of natural selection' to confuse those believers who are weak and do not understand the bigger picture - Is this something that needs addressing in your opinion?
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Post by muslimanswers on Aug 7, 2015 9:44:07 GMT
Salam Alaykum, What I can say for the time being is that there are three sites, shaykhatabekshukurov, sulaimanahmed, and asharisassemble, which promote Shukurov's and his students' positions. There are also some videos, such as the one on: www.avicennaacademy.com/scholarship, where Shukurov mentions that one knows that certain Ahadeeth such as the one where Ibrahim (AS) pleads for his father to be saved on Qiyaamah Day are false according to Quran, reason, and basic Aqeedah [the reason being that Prophets are full believers, they would never ask for Haraam things, so the Hadeeth (Fulan told another Fulan) is definitely wrong]. Anyway, one of the main courses they are teaching is Hanafi Mustalah al-Hadith, where in their own words: "In mustalah al-hadith students are taught the terminology and related principals by which hadith and the narrators of them are graded for their strength and acceptability. The mustalah al-hadith commonly taught today are from Sha’afi scholars according to their school. Avicenna Academy is unique in that we teach Hanafi Mustalah. This means that the students also learn how to scrutinise the text (matn) of a hadith too." (Once I had checked they said they were teaching the book قفو الاثر as the manual of Hanafi Mustalah, rather than a well-known text such as the Bayquniyyah (which is claimed to be too much towards the Shafii’ methodology and thus incompatible with pure Hanafi rules of Fiqh and Aqeedah), link: www.avicennaacademy.com/kiful-athar/)As far as the 'agenda' is concerned, below is one quote from Atabek Shukurov's site, wrapping up his position on fasting time and the controversy of what to do when Isha time does not really enter: As I stated, our scholars spoke about this issue explicitly, intensively, obviously and in nearly all of the books. But if people do not understand the books that they are teaching, we cannot help them. My method has always been that if the later Hanafis such as Deobandis and Brelawis wish to follow the Shafei, Maliki or Hanbali School that is their prerogative, but we prefer to follow the classical and pure Maturdi Aqeedah and Hanafi Fiqh. As you have seen our position is completely in line with the Hanafi School. We are always happy to teach those who want to learn the pure classical positons of our scholars and our School.So this concept of 'impurity' of latter-day Hanafis is very much emphasized in their sites above. I had a more or less good rapport with the asharisassemble admin previously, and what happens is not only differences with other Hanafis being over-emphasized, but also openly saying that the Shafii methodology and the Hadeethi methodology which has its apex in Saheeh Bukhari and Saheeh Muslim is conducive to death and destruction, and to the very rise of al-Qaeda and similar groups. [The reason being that a pure Hanafi would see that one cannot kill others except with real reasons from the Quran and mass-transmitted Sunnah, yet the Shafiis, and Bukhari and Muslim did not mind to narrate and adopt unjust and invalid positions and narrations that mindlessly lead to killings and executions due to Ahaad Ahadeeth, and as we see today greatly sully the name of Islam and lead many to doubt Islam. One link in this respect which I think is relevant is: asharisassemble.com/2014/05/27/have-you-been-blackmailed-by-bukhari-yet/ , where the author goes in some depth in saying that the methodology of Bukhari and of the 'Hadeethists' in general is to override and contradict the Quran by appealing to the 'guilt' of Muslims to accept every 'Saheeh Hadeeth', even if it goes against all concepts of Islam and even of human decency. The above discussion about Sihr is also on the same lines, of saying that the Quran is mentioning one indubitable and rational thing about Prophets and their overall sanctity, and it is ludicrous to reject the Quran and rational Aqeedah simply because Bukhari or Muslim told us so. I have to say that their positions do change, like on the issue of Ayesha's (RAA) age at the time of her marriage, in one speech Shukurov mentioned that there was controversy over her age based on the review of many sources, yet inn the latest article on asharisassemble, there is an alleged quote from Al-Jassas mentioning that as per Abu Hanifah, the age of marriage for women is determined by the society, and at the time of the Prophet (SAW) that age was 18-19 - so the academy and its output seems to be a work in progress].
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Post by muslimanswers on Aug 6, 2015 6:22:41 GMT
Salam alaykum,
Is there not a need to counter the main message of the book and of the academy, that the classical Hanafi positions were closer to what we would call today Mu'tazili positions, and that only due to the 'corruption' of the Hanafi and Maturidi way by Shafii and Ash'ari principles that we have come to this situation, where the Hanafis are taking in much more Ahaadeeth into consideration than the 'pure Hanafi way' actually allows for - this is the main contention and all else flows from this, as far as i can see.
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Post by muslimanswers on Feb 14, 2015 13:26:04 GMT
Salam Alaykum, I wanted to ask concerning the opinion of a number of scholars that the Hadeeth we read in Sahih Bukhari about the Prophet (SAW) being affected by magic is in fact totally false. One of the scholars to have spoken against this is apparently Al-Jassas (RA), as per the image below [What would you say about this matter, since the argument seems strong from what I can tell especially since it is being connected with a mater of basic Aqeedah - it is also mentioned that this was the opinion of Abu Mansur Al-Maturidi (RA) and the early Hanafis. In any case, what is mentioned by one scholar mentioning this today is that even if there was Ijma' to the effect that the Prophet (SAW) was indeed affected by magic, this would be of no consequence, since it would go against the clear and explicit Verse of the Qur'an in Surah Al-Furqaan mentioned in the text below]:
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Post by muslimanswers on Feb 12, 2015 2:41:16 GMT
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