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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 23:17:38 GMT
As-salamu alaykum
I have seen people reference 28:38 and 40:36-37 to argue that Musa (alayhisalam) preached that Allah is literally above the heavens when he was alive because Firawn wouldn't have tried to build a tower to see Allah. How do we respond?
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Post by faqir on Nov 13, 2020 7:43:31 GMT
as-salam 'alaikum Someone had saved an old thread myself and others including Abul Hasan had compiled way back in 2008 on the old Marifah forum!!!! www.slideshare.net/IslamicBooks/salafi-creed-vs-sunni-creed-part-1see the first post in the link above. I've cut and paste it below but the formatting is messed up. Ibn Taymiyya said: Allahs Names and Attributes in the Quran [....] Highness: [....] And He has said: "O Haman! Build me a tower, that I may reach the roads, - the roads of heavens, and that I may climb up to the God of Moses, though verily I think he [Moses] is a liar." (Ghafir 40/36-37) Al-Aqidah al-Wasitiyya Salih Al-Fawzan states in his explanation of the waasitiyyah, as translated by “Aboo Waheeda As-Salafee”: Quote “In it is affirmation of the ‘uluww (highness) of Allah over his creations. Such that Prophet Musa (’alayhis salaam) affirmed this and called to it. And then Fir’awn denied this.” Qadi Abu Bakr ibn al-Arabi said: [...] They (i.e. the anthropomorphists) say: All the firm believers in the oneness of Allah raise their hands to the heavens when supplicating him, and if Musa had not said to Pharaoh: “My Lord is in the Heaven.” Pharoah would not have said: “Oh Haamaan! Build for me a lofty tower in order that I may survey the god of Moses!” (28:38) We say: “You are lying about Musaa (’alayhis salaam), he never stated such! However, your conclusion shows that you are indeed the followers of Fir’awn, who believed that the Creator lies in directions, and thus he desired to climb up to Him on a ladder. He congratulates you for being of his followers, and he is certainly your Imam!” Refer also to: And from the tafsir of Imâm al-Tabarânî from his Tafsîr al-Kabîr under [28:38]: وﻗوﻟﮫ ﺗﻌﺎﻟﻰ: } ﻓﺄ َ ْوﻗْد ﻟِﻲ ٰﯾﮭﺎﻣﺎن ﻋَﻠﻰ ٱﻟطﯾن {؛ أي اﱠﺗﺧْذ ﻟِﻲ آﺟراً، } ﻓﭑﺟﻌل ﻟﱢﻲ ﺻرﺣﺎ ً {؛ أي ﻗﺻراً طوﯾﻼً ﻣﱠﺗﺳﻌﺎ ً ﻣرﺗﻔﻌﺎ ً، } ﻟﱠﻌﻠﱢﻲ أَطﻠِﻊ إَِﻟﻰ إَِﻟٰـه ﻣوﺳﻰ َٰ ُ ِ ٰ ُ َ ۤ ﱠ ِ َ ْ َ َْ َْ َ ّ ُ ِ ِ ﱢ َ ُ َ َ ِ َ ُ converted by Web2PDFConvert.com 2. .{؛ أي أﺻﻌد إﻟﯾﮫ، ظن ﺑﺟﮭﻠﮫ أﻧﮫ َﯾَﺗﮭﱠﯾﺄ ُ ﻟﮫ أن ﯾﺑﻠُﻎ ﺑﺻرﺣﮫ إﻟﻰ اﻟﺳﻣﺎء، وظن أن إﻟﮫ ﻣوﺳﻰ ﺟﺳﻣﺎ ً ﻣﺷﺎھداً ﻛﻣﺎ ﺗﻘول اْﻟﻣﺷﺑﮭﺔ، َﺗﻌﺎَﻟﻰ ﷲُ ﻋن ذﻟِك َ َْ َ َُ َ ُ ُ َ ِْ َ ُ َ ﱠ ِ ﱠ ِ َ ْ َ ِ َ ﱠ ُ Pharaoh thought in his ignorance that by his tower he would be able to reach to the Sky, and thought that the God of Musa is a body that can be looked at, just as the anthropomorphists say. Allah is greatly clear of and above that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 22:15:50 GMT
This response makes a lot of sense.
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